it gets more accurate with sustained fire. Aside from that, why would a weapon like that have a scope? Its a handheld minigun.... The thing is huge, you gonna lift it up to your face?

hrm.......talking bout this makes me want to try using one...gonna go spec for a hmg now with my surplus sp

hrm.......talking bout this makes me want to try using one...gonna go spec for a hmg now with my surplus sp

clearly you can tell by my post above that i havent used them, so theres no point arguing with me about it, i dont know how they look.

However, hmg's are like forge guns.....a scope isnt something you need on a weapon like that.

hmgs are for spraying.....a lot.

CCP even makes them great to use by increasing the accuracy after sustained fire.....what other game does that? Its usually the painful opposite.

okay......still, sniping with a hmg?

being extreme to get my point across.

....dude, regardless of how high the animation of the merc is holding up the hmg, its a big ass weapon that requires both hands to tote around. It fires from the hip, in the same way the forge gun does due to its weight. you dont just lift it up to your face like an smg in order to zoom. Theres a reason only heavy suits can carry it....cause its freaking heavy.

If your gonna get technical about it and say just have the visor zoom in, then that would be a dropsuit mod and not a gun feature.

But that wont happen probably since not all weapons (notably the smg) use the visor sights.

whether or not its a balancing issue, CCP has a habit of backing each and every think up in lore, i.e. the wep descriptions on the info pages.

again, no need to get heated here, i already said ive never used them

Would you really hold this up to your face?
It's designed to be held at hip height. It's too heavy to life up and have no support for being help up to shoulder height. The first shot would leave you without a shoulder or face. It would just smash into you hard.

I'm not sure about the infantry mounted minigun but I do have some stats about the vehicle mounted minigun in real life. It shoots a 20mm caliber shell and has a top rate (it has an electronic trigger and varying rates) of 3000 rounds per minute.
The reason I say shell and not bullet is because they are explosive.
I'm guessing the infantry version fires 7.62 caliber bullets and MIGHT have an electic trigger as opposed to a mechanical one in standard weapons. As for rate, I have no idea.

I don't agree with you about realistic. Yes, it's sci-fi but CCP don't just throw things out there that don't make sense. While it is in the distant future, it should have a logical explenation to it.
I just don't see how you sould put something like that up to your face.

guys... common sense and reality have no place in this argument. keep your reality out of my fantasy. oh no we can't sight it in because it's big and powerful? well magical science handwave, now we have super duper power assisted joints in our dropsuits that allow us to lift and shoulder such massive things. oh, and shields to prevent the recoil from destroying our faces. or maybe the magic of science has made miniguns NOT such monsters in the future.



the REAL reason you can't sight the HMG is simple game balance.


in the current build the hmg is terrible, but giving it a scope would just make it a slightly better duvolle.

in the LAST build it was actually somewhat unique, and useful in it's own situations. it had decent damage combined with excellent RoF, balanced out by that very hipfire only restriction. if you'd been able to aim THAT, it would have been madness.

the end result was a gun that COULD tear people apart.. if they were dumb enough to hang around long enough for the barrels to spinup. that spinup time was the critical balance. combined with the heavies low movement speed, it gave anybody that wanted to ample opportunity to run for cover before being eviscerated.


so i vote no. keep it hipfire only, keep it initially inaccurate, but restore the damage and make it build heat slower. make it be really GOOD at something. a unique role that balances with the strengths and weaknesses of the heavy suit instead of just being the "AR+1: heavy suit edition"

it would balance it in that, it would make the hmg better than the ARs, which it very well may deserve to be. heavy slot vs light slot.

but it would also force the HMG into a similar if not identical role to the AR. so you still end up with the question: why not just play an assault suit?


the heavy suit forces a different kind of playstyle by virtue of it's horrendous mobility, utter lack of utility, poor regeneration, poor stealth, and fantastic buffer. if there was a 5th tier of assault rifle (militia-standard-advanced-prototype-hypothetical) that only heavies could use, would that make heavy suits USEFUL? because that is essentially all you get by sighting the hmg.


i would rather the weapon be balanced with the suit in mind, which i feel it was in the last build for those reasons i stated.

i agree with you on it's CURRENT state, but i disagree with you on how to fix it.

It's just an outright stupid idea. Besides, with the bullet spread that thing has, it isn't like a sight would help you at all. Just because another SciFi game did it, doesn't make it logical, and CCP is all about logical.

You dont know CCP then if you say that. Obviously CCP created a sci-fi universe, but within that universe, CCP has put their hearts and souls into trying to make every aspect of the games "realistic" or in other words believable and probable. Thats why you even have paragraphs of lore in the descriptions of each and every item in game in the first place. They could have been like everyone else and simply not cared.

edit: you can read the lore they put out on their sites.....its like a freaking bajillion page novel. Good stuff for people who care.

cool vid tho.....and it did explain how respawning works. For more detailed lore, im sure CCP will post something in the future if they already havent....i do know this is all pretty new stuff, so they are still rolling out the lore.

...ask a person who is active on EVE how that particular system works....i do know its all build around clone usage.

...it doesnt matter if your using iron, titanium, or tritanium.......a big ass weapon like the hmg is heavy

Basically, do you try and put a high powered scope on a shotgun? Nope, it just isn't how the weapon is made to be used.

Hold a punching bag to your shoulder and have a buff guy punch it as hard as he can. Imagine that but much much faster. Now try ADS with it.

The shotgun is also a light weapon, not a bigass heavy weapon slung over your shoulder. Just sayin.

And regarding lore, they are rolling that out. If you would read the "514" thing that is posted either as an announcement or a sticky at the top of the General Forums page, they begin to talk about the implants and the research behind them. Knowing CCP, we will get the rest of the story SOONGäó.

Edit: Ah, here we are - 514 (Chronicle)

I'm sure if you look around, you could find lore on how the capsuleer cloning works, and possibly there is already lore about the Merc implants.

ADS is essentially holding a weapon to your shoulder, to stabilize it and have a better view of where you're aiming. The SG is light, and and easily held up to the shoulder, it is also re-stabilized between shots (more or less). I don't think RoF really matters, and if the rounds are so weak, why even bother with the weapon?

Holding a heavy weapon to your shoulder however, isn't really possible. The SL sits atop your shoulder for support, while the FG and HMG are held at your waist with a sling. You can ADS with a SL because the sight can come off the side, and align with your eye. The FG and HMG however, do not have that capability. And I don't care how "light" you can make your HMG with different metals, that thing is going to be heavy. And even if it were possible to lift it that high, holding it in position would be awkward, as the center of balance would probable be quit far in front of where you are holding the weapon at the rear.

Don't care for ADS on the HMG either way, for or against. But wanted to jump in and say that the smart gun from the Aliens movie was basically a HMG and it's sights were attached to their heads for better accuracy. So one doesn't have to bring the gun up to your face to aim, just bring the scope up.

I meant whether or not it's an option at all.

And we will probably get it, to some extent.

Damage, range, RoF, ammo type, and other things of that nature, should all be viable mods. Could add some very cool tweaks for players with slightly different play styles.

OP isn't an issue, as it is all relative. A CreoDron AR right now will dominate a scout, but a proto heavy with shield extenders is quite safe tanking the damage. Thats like people saying forge guns are OP, because they can 1HK. But the reality is, if you get hit by an extremely high velocity kinetic round that is meant to put a hole in a tank, you are going to die.

It will be all about balancing how you do your mods. Someone with an RoF mod on a proto AR could have the same DPS as someone with a damage mod, they simply fire more often, with slightly lower damage. So if they don't aim quite as well as the guy with the damage mod, but they shoot a bit faster, the might be able to take him out with some luck.

It would all require testing and balancing, but in the end it probably wouldn't be a bad thing.

Dont bother bro....i thought the same and bought a heavy suit and hmg....in my opinion they r not worth it....they shoot at a high ROF but no power behind them and take 4ever 2 reload....i use a proto SPITFIRE SMG...1000rpm for ROF and does more damage per round

no amount of snowflake individuality will overcome the simple fact that the basic model only does 16 dmg per bullet, and overheats after 125 shots.


you wanna buff the hmg, buff it there.

Who's got this guys dummy ? Come on give it back, so he can have his afternoon nap !

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i spent more than 12 million SP on Heavy/HMG and the results are pretty disappointing, the fire power is weak, the range is horrible, the overheating is ridiculous, the accuracy is bad and when it get better with sustained fire it overheat!
all in all the HMG in this build is worthless and am sad